Xbox One Hotchips revisited and XBox One Speculative discussion

Adam said:
Constant grasping at straws.
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It's ridiculous to say the least, but at least it gives you something to laugh at on a rainy day.

I also think Xbox 360 has a hidden GPU.

Xenon/Zephyr used a 203W PSU, the system consumed 150-177W
Falcon /Opus used a 175W PSU, the system consumed 109-121W
Jasper used a 150W PSU, the system consumed 90-105W
Valhalla used a 135W PSU, the system consumed 70-90W

Methodology can be read here and here

Hell notice as the process got smaller and consumed less power the PSU didn't decrease at nearly the same rate. I mean going by the logic present in this thread, Jasper, Valhalla and 360E are probably hiding a dGPU! :hehe:

Random fact: PS3 Phat's PSU is rated at 380W, though Phat PS3 has only consumed 160-200W. Clearly there is two RSXs in SLI in PS3!
 
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Adam said:
Constant grasping at straws.
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Observe:

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Ketto said:
It's ridiculous to say the least, but at least it gives you something to laugh at on a rainy day.

I also think Xbox 360 has a hidden GPU.

Xenon/Zephyr used a 203W PSU, the system consumed 150-177W
Falcon /Opus used a 175W PSU, the system consumed 109-121W
Jasper used a 150W PSU, the system consumed 90-105W
Valhalla used a 135W PSU, the system consumed 70-90W

Methodology can be read here and here

Hell notice as the process got smaller and consumed less power the PSU didn't decrease at nearly the same rate. I mean going by the logic present in this thread, Jasper, Valhalla and 360E are probably hiding a dGPU! :hehe:

Random fact: PS3 Phat's PSU is rated at 380W, though Phat PS3 has only consumed 160-200W. Clearly there is two RSXs in SLI in PS3!
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Thank you. Seriously, the notion that there is some hidden information in the PSU wattage is really about as bad as it gets with conspiracy theory.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to plan my retirement based on the arrangement of grains in my Rice Krispies bowl.
 
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cra said:
Thank you. Seriously, the notion that there is some hidden information in the PSU wattage is really about as bad as it gets with conspiracy theory.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to plan my retirement based on the arrangement of grains in my Rice Krispies bowl.
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I like Cranky Grandpa!
 
Can we at least agree that the X1 uses more current than the PS4, about 100 watts? Seems pretty clear cut to me at this point.
 
XBoxNeo said:
Can we at least agree that the X1 uses more current than the PS4, about 100 watts? Seems pretty clear cut to me at this point.
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Based on what? A picture of a prototype power supply and a gross physics miscalculation?

First, the presence of Chinese, along with lack of certification symbols & a single legible font confirms that it isn't a final unit (i.e. this is probably another devkit PSU, which would make the most sense).

Second, to be clear:
- Drawing 4.91A at ~110V AC suggests an actual rating nearer 500W.
- The unit "Wh" are typically used in billing, so I'd suggest any such figure indicates 'average' or 'maximum' realistic power draw over time (1 Watt is already energy consumed per time, i.e 1 W = 1 J/s). Wh is Watts times hours and denotes an energy consumption (1 Wh = 3600 J). That is often given for a fridge for instance to denote the average energy consumption per day (as the consumption isn't continous, it's usually below 1 kWh per day for a somewhat modern one) or for a washing machine for one run or something. This is used predominately in Europe (and more specifically, Spain).
- The second Wh is 'standby' mode at "0.11Wh".

Lastly:
Here is an actual Chinese OEM knockoff Xbox One power supply, in case your's ever goes bad and you need a replacement (it is 12V, 9.6A = 115W): http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/12..._6149513&vd=30

I would say an extra 15W for the Kinect module which also contains an intrinsic motor sounds just about right.

Or another explanation is that the unit Wh really means W (which means they must have misprinted it--oops!) and that picture is a leak of the super secret 500W Xbox One final console power supply which of course is needed to power the hidden second GPU (Radeon 8000+ series at least), all to be officially revealed on September 22 or 30 depending on when all the NDAs are lifted.
 
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Snakeplissken said:
You don't give any explanation for the 215W PSU either. The specs we think we know cover a 100W SOC and 30W for the motherboard(HD(4W),Bluray(4W),8GB(3W),IO/Wlan,Fan,Kinect).
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Motherboards don't use any power on their own, the components plugged into them create the draw.

Also there seems to be a tiny bit of confusion with the PSU's rating being confused with the X1's peak output, so to be clear-

PSU- 240W

X1 Peak OUTPUT- 215W

It's amazing. I don't think there has been a single aspect of the X1 that hasn't been speculated, debated or heavily analyzed. It's like every piece of this machine turns into a fierce discussion. I mean it's the power supply for God's sake, and people are divided over it.
 
The biggest issue I have with the XB1 right now isn't the hardware, but the fact that MS hasn't made dealing with the ESRAM automatic. That's something that I was really expecting.
 
GHost Box said:
Motherboards don't use any power on their own, the components plugged into them create the draw.

Also there seems to be a tiny bit of confusion with the PSU's rating being confused with the X1's peak output, so to be clear-

PSU- 240W

X1 Peak OUTPUT- 215W

It's amazing. I don't think there has been a single aspect of the X1 that hasn't been speculated, debated or heavily analyzed. It's like every piece of this machine turns into a fierce discussion. I mean it's the power supply for God's sake, and people are divided over it.
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That's not really clear.
ps4 a/c draw is around 240w
X1 a/c draw is around 500w
 
In the end, we'll all be far from the madding crowd, having a one-on-one session with our newest electronic toy. Then and only then will it be determined whether "more powerful" translates to "more capable".
 
Rumor is they used a special paint for Xbox One, why would they use special paint if there is no secret dGPU guys? It's right in front of you!

lolololololol
 
Ketto said:
Rumor is they used a special paint for Xbox One, why would they use special paint if there is no secret dGPU guys? It's right in front of you!

lolololololol
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did that come from that group of morons?

edit: missed the sarcasm :( it's been a long day.
 
XBoxNeo said:
Can we at least agree that the X1 uses more current than the PS4, about 100 watts? Seems pretty clear cut to me at this point.
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How many watts does the xb1 hovercraft fan take up?
 
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Ketto said:
It's ridiculous to say the least, but at least it gives you something to laugh at on a rainy day.

I also think Xbox 360 has a hidden GPU.

Xenon/Zephyr used a 203W PSU, the system consumed 150-177W
Falcon /Opus used a 175W PSU, the system consumed 109-121W
Jasper used a 150W PSU, the system consumed 90-105W
Valhalla used a 135W PSU, the system consumed 70-90W

Methodology can be read here and here

Hell notice as the process got smaller and consumed less power the PSU didn't decrease at nearly the same rate. I mean going by the logic present in this thread, Jasper, Valhalla and 360E are probably hiding a dGPU! :hehe:

Random fact: PS3 Phat's PSU is rated at 380W, though Phat PS3 has only consumed 160-200W. Clearly there is two RSXs in SLI in PS3!
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Infact you proove my point did you see what i said
i said that 215 is the TDP

even i prove it by like you said uisng X360 PSU wattage

there is no way MS use 215W then the console only 125W that the point i tried to make!!!


this is my 360 Comparsion wattage
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puresoul002 said:
Infact you proove my point did you see what i said
i said that 215 is the TDP

even i prove it by like you said uisng X360 PSU wattage

there is no way MS use 215W then the console only 125W that the point i tried to make!!!


this is my 360 Comparsion wattage
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You prooved my point. There's obviously a dGPU in the PS3...and newer versions of Xbox 360. This is true because they're using alot less power than their PSU says! Can't wait for someone to crack open those new 360s and find that dGPU.

Also clearly there is someway MS is using a 215W PSU when it only draws 125(?)W so looks like...you're wrong on what MS would ever do? :txbconfused:

puresoul002 said:
Interestingly MGS V will be demoed live on 21 Sept (Intresting .....)
Also there will be Xbox one tech demo

MGS V will be demoed for 40-45 minutes, When on PS4 Booth it is demoed for 12-15 minutes
http://www.xbox.com/ja-JP/event/tgs2013/studio
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Sorry to rain on your parade, but they're demoing MGSV on PS4 twice. They did once yesterday for 30min and they're doing it again tomorrow for 30min. Yesterday was Ground Zero mission and tomorrow is Phantom Pain.

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ZombiesRUCrazy said:
but the console isn't only 125 watts.
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That is the point. The SoC is 100W max, the rest of the unit probably around 40-50 Max INCLUDING Kinect 2. So there is a large delta in power requirement between the X1 and its PSU. Again, the point that he is making. Forget the dGPU or whatever, it shows that there is more going on somewhere. It could be memory layout, etc..

It is interesting in and of itself. You do not need to jump on board with the dGPU idea or anything else.
 
Ceger said:
That is the point. The SoC is 100W max, the rest of the unit probably around 40-50 Max INCLUDING Kinect 2. So there is a large delta in power requirement between the X1 and its PSU. Again, the point that he is making. Forget the dGPU or whatever, it shows that there is more going on somewhere. It could be memory layout, etc..

It is interesting in and of itself. You do not need to jump on board with the dGPU idea or anything else.
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but wouldn't that play into the whole thing of wanting a silent console?

Using a larger of a psu, but no where getting it's peak power consumption keep it cool and keep the fan at a lower speed?
 
ZombiesRUCrazy said:
but wouldn't that play into the whole thing of wanting a silent console?

Using a larger of a psu, but no where getting it's peak power consumption keep it cool and keep the fan at a lower speed?
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You do not need to have such a delta in the PSU to do that. And you do not necessarily need to have it run around 140W for that either. The end product is quiet. That has no bearing on the wattage used at this range.
 
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